Faction feud steps (80% kickout boost)

There isn't much left to say Here, that hasnt already been said. I did want to throw my 2 cents in just so there is another player if you are counting.

The paid 80% kickout is obviously not enjoyed by the community, do the right thing and remove it before the next feud.

These steps are one of the worst ideas to be implemented into the game. They have produced a way for someone to steal victory from defeat, at a price, taking away all want and desire to grind with a bigger team for bigger scores and flushes it down the toilet. Prime example: hitting an opponent with about 2 mil dmg(leaving them with about 500k health) and they can kick out and in return, wipe me out the next turn? This costs players points and thusly rewards. Pretty soon, it’s just going to be the top 50’s feuding against themselves while everyone else just brings small teams.

In that case, why not just code 5sg to have higher kickout percentage/damage in the game? Run a beta or something and have characters hit 800k damage and fine tune it. Most likely they have already thought of this. I mean if they knew it takes 80% kickout bonus for 5sg, just hard code it, instead of it being paid for? That's my take.

I call Scopely on this line of argument. If the point behind the kickout boost is to test out a better kickout meta, why make it exclusive to spenders? Why not make it a perk or even better a line bonus? Forget that, why not simply code the kickout damage based on actual health left instead of the percentage like it does currently. You're telling me you've been working on this game for 5 years, worked with the 5sg meta for at least 4 months and NEVER thought it would come to this point? You created a mess and then your proposed solution to clear it is to ask a portion of the players to pay to Scopely over the rest to brush the incompetence under the carpet and make some money over it. This just looks like something they figured the people willing to pay will readily do to Scopely the non payers because they assume they are sadistic pieces of Scopelys like themselves. Also, how is the speedy health regen even a talking point in this thread as if that is a balm to the woes of the kickout steps? The biggest complain people have with the steps is the match dragging long just because they had the misfortune of someone who is willing to drop cash in the game and ending up needing 30 hours in a 20 hour feud to hit the latest inflated feud milestone. Talk about reading the room.

It's very disappointing that the kickout 'perk' has returned following the feedback which was very strongly against it. I do appreciate Scopely sharing their thinking on this though. I think the game can benefit massively from more open discussion between developers and players.

While there may be a slight issue with kickouts at 5SG level, I think there are many better options to tackle this.

• Tweak the current kickout system. Raise the current gem damage % on kickouts where health is at 60%, 80%, etc. This automatically gives 5SG characters a better chance at kicking out of <1m damage pins due to having a large percentage of their health still remaining.
• Trial the kickout buff through regular defensive feud perks. This would seperate the kickout buff from the warscore boost. Players chasing leaderboards don't want or need a kickout buff.
• Lower the 80% buff to a more reasonable number like 25%. If necessary, this could be scaled up later. Current feedback from player experience shows that 80% was far too high as a starting point for the current state of the game.

Making people pay for your coding mistakes is a disgusting tactic. I’m glad I’ve found other games to play like AFK Arena that don’t ask the community to spend just to play game modes. This has to be made right unless the goal is to drive a bunch of players away from the game. Your call scopes.

Increasing kickout for higher percentage health is such a simple and obvious solution. It's currently 6x until like 40%, so make it 8x at 60%-75% and 10x at 90%+ and problem solved, while leaving it so that if you hit someone hard enough through clever gameplay, they stay down.

Keep the kickout buff with steps but lower it to a max 50%. If this was intended for whales, it's working. These steps make the scoring go faster even with the buff. I support Scopley keeping steps with the change I proposed.

only 1 event was a lots of fun for all players (spenders and non spenders) for enjoyment that was faction feud.

but after this boost perk (50% war score 50% gem damage and 80% kick-out damage) only spenders can get top rank. Very sad for all poor players.

Totally unfair for all poor but active players.

Inadvertently, or maybe on purpose you're in the initial process stage of setting up factions that are pay only members. Why have a faction of grinders that reap the rewards when you can just create one based on how much people spend. You really don't need a great roster, just money to fill in a gaps and buy wins. Also is Scope getting ready to release a 6 star? Seems this would be fitting then.

Please explain to me how an almost maxed out 5sg Naomi with double armor build, HTM and Kalisto 50%protect gems, Bayley 15%protect gems hit a 4sg Tech Stacy with a 370k finisher, almost draining her and she completely kicks out by turn 2. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I understand the business this game is and I understand it's money driven but giving 80% is just ridiculous. Why even have a kickout if you're doing 80%? Why didn't they just go the whole mile and give out 100%, really what's the difference?

I believe Scope doesn't care about the people who have spent the past years grinding out this game for the love of it. I, for one have 3M roster because I grinded out almost 4 years of this game only to see this weekend with certain players it didn't matter at all. Whether it was the insane amounts of health packs I had to use or that I actually missed the time because I was too busy fighting a player with full female lineup, 5 were 5sg all at 80%. I couldn't finish the match and had 2 players untouched because it took so long.

That perk is not a perk, it's a game changer. Let's not get it twisted, that will change the game. I just Scope is ready for the change.

So, you're looking for a way to improve 5SG kickout capabilities

maybe, just maybe, we should have a look at the current status of the game....

let's see:

Showdown: all hail King Booker, he's already a tough cookie to bite and I'm pretty sure that heavy-hitter users (Ford, Lee, HBK) didn't complain about the fact that King B usually does not kickout after a 1 mil+ hit....and it's fine this way

Tours/Gauntlets: hopefully 5SG won't be implemented in Limited Time Tours as they have been in Permanent Tours (which, by the way, I'd say should be added more frequently, mainly during periods like this, when you're not exactly being generous with us players), anyway, I'm pretty positive that no one complained if their superstars were able to one-shot a tour opponent.

Feud: well, here I see a lot of complaints from players that weren't actually able to one-shot their feud opponents because of this improved kickout ability....and that tells it all.

Players are more than ok with being able to one-shot their opponents...and it's not something easy, it's something they prepare for by strategizing, asking, being a community.

With something like this +80% kickout perk you've actually ruined quite a lot:

1. Showboats are now UNBALANCED: they have a ton of health, but in exchange for that, they're not supposed to be able to kickout from big time damage. Well, now they are and that's not how it should be.
2. Players that have been working on their superstars in order to have them win as fast as possible now realize that their work went up in smoke, not to mention players that have been mentored that may think that their mentor is either an idiot or a troll.

Long story short: this game is already very time-consuming, every day we have 7 Showdown matches, Stipulation, Events, thank goodness we don't have to do Dailies anymore, but let's not forget weekends with Feuds, Showdown Tournaments, Marquee Stipulation (btw, they should be cut to 3 as well) so I assume that no one in the right state of mind would complain about being able to get the job done as soon as possible.

... but, if you really insist that 5SG superstars should be improved in the kickout department, I don't know, try to put this in the straps as another permanent bonus together with the usual permanent one...+20% gem damage and +50% kickout damage....shouldn't be too hard...I mean, there's already zRoman and his coaching ability, turn that into a strap permanent bonus...

The kick out boost in perks has to be one of the worse things that has happened to the game. Isn’t a point boost enough now you have to add more to favour the pay to win ways this game has become? I’m tired of spending money on these low odds for a chance at a new superstar and now you’re asking top dollar for this unfair unenjoyable perk that makes feuding what was the best part of the game a horrible experience. Hope it gets removed asap.