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Tier 5 Rainbow Move Damage Medals
Hello Scopely friends and also the NSA,
I want to start a discussion about the tier 5 medals. I have a few concerns and critiques, and I’m sure people in this thread will have their own to bring up. But I want to focus on one that is glaring and should be fixed immediately:
Getting a rainbow move damage medal is absolutely useless. They serve no purpose in this game whatsoever other than to be sold for medal bits. They are unilaterally inferior to single color medals, even tier 4 ones. Just look at the math: there is no scenario in which a rainbow move medal is better. Just to break even you would need to run tri color, AND run all 3 moves equally often, AND have them do exactly equal damage. There are no cards like this. In any other scenario a single move color is better. And usually a lot better.
I understand that you want to preserve the rarity of good items. I get that there is always fluff in any RNG component. But these items are a complete waste as they serve no strategic purpose in the game. And I don’t think they throw off the odds in any major way. Let’s say you are chasing a blue % takedown medal. First you need to get one in the store which only shows up once a week and you only get 4 tries with the refreshes. Then you would have a 1/5 chance of getting takedown, a 1/6 chance of getting blue, and a 1/2 chance of getting %. That’s still only a 1/60 chance of getting the medal you want if rainbows are gone, and that’s assuming equal weights. That would not break the game in any way. You can even tweak the odds of getting these % ones if you want. I’m not asking for more stuff or even better stuff. I’m just asking to specifically rid the game of pointless stuff.
Compare it to doing pulls and getting shards of a low rated card. While that may seem equally disappointing, the difference is “hey there might be a tour requirement some day for this card; so I’ll use it if needed.”
To reiterate: there is no scenario where we will ever use the rainbow move damage medals. Please remove them from the game and simplify your code by removing waste. Hopefully this helps both sides.
Sincerely,
The 1785th best Champions player in the world - ocho
Comments
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I would like to add to this post, some numerical values for transparency sake.
Tier 5 Medals Max Value
Move Damage
Specific Color (Flat) 60000
Specific Color (%) 200%
All Color (Flat) 20000
All Color (%) 66.7%
As ocho pointed out, the only time that these medals would ever in a fantasy world be used, would be if there was a card out there with matching MP costs for all of their moves, who was bound to use a tri-color moveset, which in the game does not and will not exist.
A Specific Color vs All Color move damage medal is significantly different, and the All Color move damage medals are nowhere near viable enough to use for any form of gameplay, competitive (feud / showdown) or not (blitz/tours). People would get more usage out of a tier 3 Flat (40000) or % Specific Color (77%) medal than they would a tier 5 Flat (20000) or % All Color (66.7%) medal. The request should hopefully not be too difficult, as I am very supportive of @0chogring0 's request if for nothing else but for the sheer fact that the numbers on these medals mean that they will never be used for anything more than medal bits themselves.
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I agree. The currency needed to attempt to acquire these medals are far to valuable and hard to obtain to have such them be as lackluster as they are if you are unfortunate enough to land all color. Now I know they all can't be amazing but you'd hope at least usable
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This was all brought up to the team prior to the change being made. If it gets enough attention there may be changes down the road.
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I would really like the change that ocho mentioned, getting the marquee coins isn't very easy and getting the rainbow medal damage over a single colored move damage medal is just disappointing and not worth the while that we put into collecting the tickets for the tours throughout the week and then doing the tours to get the coins for the T5 medals. Those medals are useless and I haven't used a single one of them in my 1 year of playing this game.
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Agree with all said above. The time sink that it does take to first acquire the tokens to buy the marque tickets, then the time to complete the marque tours isn’t insignificant. I’d also just be echoing all that was said above as it is disappointing to invest that amount of time and effort, just to get a medal that’s completely useless. The sheer amount of vitality & flat medals alone show that it is weighted enough to keep the “elite” medals at a low enough frequency without pointless rainbow medals.
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I agree about the T5 medals. The flat values are too low and the all move damage is not scaled for the meta at 5sg. The health pool being increased so much makes the current values on all T4 & T5 medals not enough. I would think these medals would be modified to help with the power creep that has been thrust upon us with 5sg. Without some help with medals and their buffs it limits the characters we can viably move to 5sg. A T5 all move damage medal should give a 150% buff instead of a measly 66.7%. It takes upwards of a week to get the currency to try to buy one and even longer to actually get one because the store randomly populates the medals and to be honest currently it’s not worth the resources to endlessly get flat padded and crappy padded all % medals.
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Agree with the original post, the rainbow move medals are not relevant and a wasted opportunity to do something interesting in the game. Hope that something can be done, even if it’s only at the T5 level.
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I agree with the arguments being made above. The values from rainbow move dmg medals are too low compared to color specific medals. For color specific gem dmg medals, the values are identical to all color gem dmg medals. If rainbow move dmg medals were to stay, the values for those medals need to be buffed. Otherwise, the rainbow move dmg medals in todays meta is pretty much useless.
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The rainbow tier 5 move damage medals definitely feel like they have the lowest value in the game. Currently with there only being one way to obtain tier 5 medals which involves spending a relatively large portion of the currency from the marquee tours, having a medal that has less value than lower tier medals of a single color is especially disappointing. These medals don't need to be as powerful as the single color tier 5 medals but they should at least be equal or better than the value of a tier 4 single color medal.
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Completely agree with all about getting rid of rainbow T5 medals. As disappointing as pulling your 30,000th Asuka shard and almost as worthless.
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I agree the rainbow medal at tier 5 is insanely low. Why not boost it to 100% or even 90% all move damage %. and the flats to 50k all moves Make it a tad bit more rare even if you have to.
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I agree with all the post above. Currently as they are in the game the T5 rainbow medals are an instant sell. If you can't/won't delete them. Then maybe increase the % or flat to make them at least usable for the cost to get them.
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Agree with the post and comments here. They should be revamped or removed. Thank you.
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Definitely medals that shouldn't be included in something of that rarity. While we're at it can we also remove Padded and to some extent, vitality as all possible combo of them are also useless
/upvote
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First off, I want to thank you for the chance for players to voice their thoughts. As previously mentioned, the rainbow medals that are the topic of conversation here are somewhat useless. When getting a tier 5 medal you have to invest a lot of time and resources to get one. With that said, it should be something that can be usable for players. Please think of changing the tier 5 medals to only offer something that players can and will use. If they were offered more similar to other medals, I could understand including rainbow ones. But the current way you have to get an opportunity at a single medal, it seems like a broken system.
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I'm in full support of the numbers in the above post as the guideline for change,
The current numbers make the medals pointless in todays game.
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The rainbow medal needs to be removed from the stipulation shop all together. There should be nothing less than a tier 4 meal in the stipulation shop as well.
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Absolutely agree. The only characters in the game these fit is Aleister Black, tech, and Stacy Keibler, tech. Black will be phased out of circulation soon enough since he’s AEW, really making these medals viable on Stacy alone.
40,000 / 125% or thereabouts would make a whole lot more sense at T5.
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I don't know y u guys are complaining bout medals when scopley favors certain players so that they can get better drops anyways it's been that way since day since it came out. also for the medals from greys to purple from tier 1-5 on rainbows to solids, there isn't much of a difference between them so again y u guys complaining now this should have been done when 1-5 medals came out in the first place.
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The first 2 posts here cover the situation perfectly.
Its probably unrealistic to see those medals removed as possibilities, but I’m sure they could be modified to a more balanced level.
100-125% all color damage and 40,000-50,000 all color flat damage seem much more in-line with the other possibilities and options out there.
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I agree i need medals 200% 6moths continue playing stipulation or marque tour i don't get 200% me
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I agree i need medals 200% 6 months continue playing stipulation or marquri tour i don't get 200% me
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Yeah agree with all the above comments here T5 Rainbow medal is useless it should be removed from the game because the damage is very less after maxing T5 rainbow medal although T4 medal do more damage than T5 rainbow medal . T5 rainbow medal just occupied space in medals nothing else then we have only option left to sell those T5 Rainbow medal .
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or maybe the developer can make the tier 5 Rainbow more useful
like when we equip the tier 5 Rainbow move medal our wrestler can compete in inter gender match
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Ocho and Bob are right. There is currently no real use for those medals in the game right now. If the stats were to be modified to higher numbers/percentages, they would be viable. As it stands right now though, they are instantly sold since it makes no sense to use them.
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moving to suggestions
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100% to ochos comment!
Additional i want to say, that all the other 5s medals are totaly crap.
Only getting 5s gem damage medals over weeks with specific colour gem damage 86damage. Here it seems that for all 3 other medals a percentage medal doesnt exist!
No use for those medals.
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Ocho's point is spot on here. Rainbow move damage medals are absolutely pointless. I'd offer two suggestions either a) make them have the same benefits of the color counter parts like you do with Gem damage now or remove them all together. They legitimately serve no purpose because you can usually farm medal bits for the amount you sell them for.
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This affects every single player in the game. As a community, we need these changes. especially if they talent level of characters increase.
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Upvoting and in total agreement.
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