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Basically last month 1 step forward but Basically 100 steps back . The only enjoyable mode in game and its been ruined by terrible rewards and calculations. Could have been salvaged if you left the scoring system and bettered the rewards . Hopefully common sense will prevail and you take these comments on board from all . But I hold my breath
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@Drjenkins while I can appreciate your positivity and respect your opinion I have to ask, can I have your weed dealers number? I want to be as happy as you are while the game i love burns all around me...
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Pretty obviously a troll seeking attention.
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Posting my feedback after playing 2 flash feud and I think the old feud rewarding and score system was vetter then the new one
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I understand the concept of combining War score and CSS point for ease of use and access. users only have to check/follow 1 milestone list to see where they are at, and what they can achieve.
However,
- War Score and CSS Scores are different metrics of measuring performance. War score is the overall volume and performance/time investment during feuds. It is time investment during feud. CSS is how much someone has spent or luck with rewards. IT has nothing to do with actual feud engagement. CSS score is time investment during other activities and/or financial investment. These are intrinsically different.
- The Weighting of these scores is out of proportion. I'll include my calculations
Right now I'm at 110 Million points, as I've been fortunate to have quite a few of CSS characters. Of the 110 Million, 70 Million of the points have been from CSS characters and 40 from the Feud. In reality, 20 million of the points were from the first 2 million war score points, and the rest from War Score.
I have spent 9 hours feuding in feud 1 and 2 combined. Excluding the CSS Points and the first 20 million (from 2 million), I have accrued 20 million points from the actual feud. I have had basically 12 million in the first feud with 5 hours played, and 10 million in the 2nd with 4 hours played.
I have spent 9 hours in total to make up the value of a CSS character. The weighting of these scores are not fair in this instance. And this is coming from someone who has been very fortunate in CSS characters.
We calculated that I could've just one the 1st feud with 4x with Chelsea, Bayley "Damage Control" , and any Rhonda Rousey....and have more Milestone points that someone with no CSS and just played every hour of the feud. That's 45 million just from CSS.. 45 million is a pretty high bar for 2 feuds. How is that fair to those without CSS characters?
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Overall Event. 2 out of 10.
Bodacious faction contest:
- I thought the faction warscore points was good. It was a low/easy attainable 750K (basacilly 1 or 2 battles). This is good becuase not everyone can play alot in the limited time window of the flash fued.
Battleground Competion: AWFUL
- I have no issue with combing CSS and Warscore.
- I totally understand not all milestones are for everyone, the high spenders will have more CSS and get more rewards. I will probably finish at 131M milestone.
- The failure was the scoring change was done wrong and there was no reason to play after CSS matches. The 30M gap between milestones is not realistic for anyone to grind out matches - I was getting 500-600K total per fued (3-4 unique wins w/ 50 % max fued promoters, 20% steps, 10% line bonus) avg 15 min. I totally understand not all milestones are for everyone, the high spenders will have more CSS and get more rewards.
- The old/old Fued use to have a max warscore milestone of around 50M, people would max it, then stop playing, so Scopley to keep people playing added the add'l milestones at 10M apiece up to 100M, with fued loot coins and this was an incentive to keep playing and was realistic to obtain based on old scoring.
- Fued promoters that I worked hard to get are useless now. warscore so low, milestone gaps to large 30M. Beat a 6SS and get about 95K in points. 50% Promoters = 48K add'l points....Seriously the new point system is bad.
- CSS matches having to do win 4 - stinks. Just make it 1 win. If you don't have a CSS talented high enough it makes it really hard and drawn out to get 4 wins. All you need is 1 win as proof you have the CSS card. Makes the game play more fun,when you can bring in your REAL lineup that we work so hard to build up day in and day out.
FF Bodacious Feud chest: I like the variety that can be gained from them. Even though I only got 1 Sherri out of 9 pulls. LOL
I embrace change and it's needed to keep things fresh. It just stinks that the community has to have a very bad event experience. Better testing should be done to understand how the impact will be felt.
Thks
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You guys are definitely going in a wrong direction.
You guys just screwed another event with such a bad scoring system instead of making the game enjoyable and playable for everyone.
There is one thing that you guys should understand that not everyone of are retire cuz most of us we do have a life and work outside this game and we cannot play the game all the time.
We love this game but if you guys keep screwing all the game modes like you just did with feud people will walk away for sure.
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Worst competition system everrrrrrrrrr
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I made a post earlier, then immediately edited it to clarify something since it disappeared. Doubt it's going to be approved so I'll have to repost it later.
How's it going Drjenkins, I was in your last faction. I know you're a big spender in this game, but I can't tell if this post is genuine or you really believe this. I remember you were legitimately angry over the generous bags at the end of the Halloween event because you thought it devalued all the characters you spent money for, and everybody else didn't deserve to get them for free, or whatever.
These changes do NOT benefit all players. It only benefits the players who have been spending money to get all the CSS'es. Those CSS bonus dwarf the amount of warscore that can be grinded now that everything was cut down.
"Any" faction can NOT get 1st place. The players with the strongest rosters that can run a full squad of 6SS'es still get the most points the fastest in the regular faction competition. That part hasn't changed, you still see Woken Warriors420, The New Ministry, Five Second Pose, etc at the top. If new factions are appearing in the top 100, it's because people in other factions are playing this event less because there's not much point to the ground for some players now once you've gotten whatever CSS bonuses you can get.
These changes are absolutely abysmal for FTP players. You can't "grind to your heart is complete" at all, because there's a limited amount of time in these feuds. An FTP can not get 400 million, 300 million, 200 million, or even 150 million warscore even if you were to be feuding the entire 24 hours. MAYBE 100 million if you're counting the 10x bonus for the first 2 million? But I think that's pushing it.
Let me put it this way - I'm not completely FTP, but most weekly events I don't even spend a dime. Do you want to know how many CSS'es I have for this feud? Besides the any Ronda/Sami/Seth/Lita ones, I have a grand total of two in the 4th feud (Iyo Sky and GOAT Becky). That's it. All I can get for CSS bonuses are 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 20 + 20 = 60 million. If I put my nose to the grindstone I MIGHT be able to hit the 101,999,999 milestone, but I've kinda stopped caring because the rewards at 101,999,999 are 1/4 the amount of Technician tokens you're supposed to get from one of these Feuds, along with 500 TP. In the old system, I've always been hitting 50 mil every week, hit 125 when that was the max on a Flash Feud, even hit 100 million two weeks ago on the single Feud. My roster isn't whaled out, but I can grind well enough in Feuds to hit those milestones. Under the new system, if I spent the same of time grinding or EVEN MORE, I don't get equivalent rewards without all these premium CSS characters. 50 million in the old feud would get you like 100-125 shards of a character in addition to al the other rewards, this time there's a mere 50 shards of HOF Foley at the 311,99,999 milestone. This doesn't add up.
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On top of the fact that I am getting no where close to the max rewards, the prizewall is absolutely a joke. I got Becky, among many other css this feud and have 9 tokens. Talk about cheap.
Others articulated the scoring system and I agree. It's brutal. Ugly weekend event
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You turned the game into a absolute joke first you change the scoring system of boss battle and now you totally messed up feud with the new system nothing was wrong with the old system if anything take it back to normal scoring system but up the max milestone some people can’t spend 48 hours feuding in flash feud you will be lucky if 100 people max feud
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I dont even care if this is "constructive". This is the worst feud event ever run by a wide margin. Way too css reliant. Seriously...just go back to the way feuds were prior to the perk nonsense but definitely prior to this scoring revamp. Ick. Just terrible.
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I don't try to be overly harsh when giving feedback, but I legitimately cannot believe you let this event roll out like this. I refuse to believe anyone on your team sat down and did the math on this. Missing a single CSS is costly to the point of not even bothering. After the first feud, I completely lost the desire to keep playing because I knew it was wasted effort. As it stands now, I'm gonna have to bust my ass to even get to where I normally would for REDUCED rewards. This has been an abject failure. Whoever you put at the helm for this event should not be allowed to do so again. That's how horrible this experience has been.
There's no debate to be had here. Fix the scoring and fix the rewards. This sucked.
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First I will say that these changes took all the fun out of the Last Game Mode I looked forward to and enjoyed playing. The new reward system does not reward you at all for actually playing the game just if you have certain people. I used to place in the Top 100 of Warscore competitions and now I have no real need to put that effort in. I have played at least played 50% less than normal and I only put that much effort in is only for Faction Placement. With no incentive to play there is no need to play.
The other thing about the Flash Fueds is that you Repeated the Fued Top Row Bonus Characters from their respected Fued Weekends. This was really stale (as we already had a 20 Hour Fued Featuring them) and should have been new Roman and Rhea (especially would have made people pay if they were close to getting her or buy resources to level her up)
I also want to touch on the Flash Fued Loot. PLEASE, PLEASE take all the useless items out of the FEATURED section (ex: Moment Coins, Strap Parts, and Medal Bits). When I do a 40 Pull and see a Featured and it is 100 Strap Parts, it is really depressing especially when I get Millions of Coin and a Bunch of TP. You can keep those items in, but make it an equivalent of getting a Duplicate Moment in Moment Coins. I understand doing that in Paid Loot, but I put effort into the game and won these coins and FEATURED items are low odds to get so they should be exciting to get.
Overall this MLC was really fun with the reimaging of Superstars and the Happy Accidents. It is just a bummer to end it on such a down note.
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Let’s boycott till they change it back
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The goods feedbacks don't seem like that.....
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As of now I already played some feud with the new scoring it’s still very confusing for me how it works and as of now I don’t like it I liked better the old scoring as it was higher and we got better rewards maybe after playing more my mind will change but as of now I really don’t like it
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What good feedback? There's like, one person doing that, and looking through their post history they clearly have a tendency to troll.
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Scopely what is this crap? Why do you always change things no one complains about? What was wrong with the old scoring system? Were whales not getting enough sleep and screw the average player? Now if you're blessed with all the css you can pop in do 4 fights if you ran them all and then say goodnight peasants. I know you're probably like why are people complaining we left 1 css common and they can use any of that superstar. Oh thank you for the 20 million points only 80 more million to go to even get the rank up tokens. Is feud becoming like Showdown now a premium event to even get rank up materials? No actually it's worse because at least premium Showdown you only need THAT weekend superstar not all of them. What's next if someone has all the new superstars they get to start a day early with exclusive rewards but everyone still has to set up their teams or the game will just auto fill it for you to give them someone to fight. I think people said it best in other post if it isn't broke don't fix it!
P.S. wouldn't it have made since to incorporate the re-works into this feud somehow? They could have even been css because everyone had them at minimum 5 star.
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I feel like combing the war score and bonus characters was alright. The scoring for the feud is utterly the worst. I have 9 css and with a little luck I'll get to 131 million points. Please make this the last time for this scoring. If it's not changed I will probably just give up on feuding. This was not fun at all
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I'm just adding to the pile here. Flash feuds always suck (Oh yeah, I love feuding at 5AM, thanks Scopes), but this scoring change is the most abysmal thing you could have done. Fixing what ain't broke, while not fixing the boatload of things that are actually broken? Nice to see where your priorities are. Congrats to the 10 people that will max the warscore contest.
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I've really enjoyed the retro themed mlc but I feel the changes to flash feuds have not been good.
I was fine with a superstar contest that I couldn't grind being separate to a warscore contest that I could. I preferred it as 1 warscore contest rather than 4 separate ones as it was more forgiving to family life and life outside the game. I think it's a big shame you've move away from that.
This latest change has really removed loads of motivation. You cant make much progress without the "superstar contest" characters, so it's basically encouraged 4 brawls per flash feud to get those done and then stop. The progress otherwise by the warscore is so minimal, and the milestones so far apart that unfortunately is drained the fun and challenge out of it for me.
In addition, when there was 1 separate warscore contest with a healthy set of class specific tokens at the 50mil milestone, it felt worth the grind. I can understand spreading them out a bit so those who couldn't get to 50mil couldn't least get some but now it's so unclear where you need to get for them and some have been moved so far beyond reach for most players.
In summary, please revert back, it was way better before with one warscore contest and a separate solo contest. Make sure that the emerald tokens in particular are a major part of the rewards.
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This has to be the worst feud ever the rewards are poor this need to be resolved happy 7th birthday what a joke this game is becoming
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As much as I appreciate change in the structure to keep things fresh, the math was way off here.
I will be as positive and constructive as possible here:
- Having 4 separate warscore contests is a fun idea, that further differentiates flash feuds from regular feuds, and could be a good solution to the timezone problem in flash feuds.
- Keeping a "total warscore" contest for all the 4 flashes together, should also be workable.
If we agree this part at least is workable and enjoyable for people, we are left with the following challenges:
- Should people be required to play all 4, to be able to max the "Battlegrounds" event?
- Should each feud, give out event points, or only econ?
I would suggest the following: (Lets say the top free milestone is 100 mil. for math purposes).
- Instead of being forced to play all 4 (timezone issue for many), make it desirable instead. Carrot over whip method. Let the first 5 mil of warscore each feud count x5 (first 25mil would be fast) like you sort of did in the battlegrounds contest. you dont HAVE to play each feud, but it would be advantageous to do so. After the free milestone is reached, progress slows down for the bonus milestones, and you require more matches to reach max. If you skip a feud, you would have to grind it out at a slower pace in the remaining 3.
- If you want to cater to the players, that have purchased the newest characters, you can add bonus points for using them, making the climb to Bonus milestones easier/faster for customers.
- Make the 4 individual feuds contest milestones only contain econ rewards: Tokens, Coins, TP etc. If you only play 3 of the 4, you haven't sunk your Battleground chances.
I understand you are trying to do something new here, and there will always be hiccups when doing new things.
On a final note, I want to say its still been a very generous month. Lots of new characters on many rosters, and tons of new plates cheaply available. Lots of positive improvements going forward from here.
Regards
Sheisserick
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I am not understanding the point of this flash Fued in general. You do 2 fueds (every flash Fued) and you max the solo(milestone go towards faction Fued( but you can't grind). I attain the maximum milestones after 2 fueds. Then there is 4 SS (mostly new hard to get SS) that work towards your solo points for the event. But most people don't have them. Am I missing something?
I get the sense that they have changed this to basically the formula of the tours. Finish quickly, no grinding, if you don't have selected SS then very little prizes.
I often look forward to Fued weekend, its the main reason i play this game. I even like the new perk system for fued. It makes you have to change your linea Up. Flash Fued not so much because it means 2 of the 4 I have to be up at 3:00 AM. With this new format it's become an event that does not motivate me.
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Truthfully someone drop the ball on this Flash Feud.
Change is good most people don’t like change but seriously this weekend event is a bust. Everything is unreachable I have half the CSS a still barely moving on the rewards milestones.
The people love the GRIND made this mode of the game worth playing a lot of my teammates stop playing.
Who ever made this event up sure knows how to take the FUN out of the game.
I understand working together as a faction to obtain points but someone messed up the math on the solo aspect of the game unless someone was crying around saying the solo milestones where to easy but in fact was a bit hard cause the player had to GRIND for this points in the feuds what meant is staying up late of getting up early.
Going into the last flash feud an im not impressed.
Everyone looks forward to the feuds in the game….I hope you listen to the community
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You seem hellbent on arguing with me, every post... I will not endulge in this.
Scopely could easily have pressed the "rollback" button, and let things play out as they had intended. Remember the 500 TP bags? They didnt however, so enjoy the 5 new characters to your roster!
They have tried a lot of new concepts this month, and I overall found the gameplay very enjoyable:
The "Props needed challenge tours". (Cant remember name).
The Extreme match challenges at the end of a few events.
The new Extreme rules Gauntlet matches.
The 7 refurbished characters, with reward of a random new plate for completing.
The math have been off, on the rewards/prizewall tokens, which really is a shame. I choose to see it as beta testing. The content it self was good. Unfortunately when people look back, they only remember this part.
If you put on your most positive glasses, you will see: New features, New Content, and overall increase in your roster & skill plates since Feb 1st, no?
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I won’t be getting Becky for commenting that already know.
I also know you got bashed so hard about the scoring of this messy event.
I’m just here to write once again, this new scoring system is terrible. If you intention was to increase participation passed the point of maxing the event, you done the absolute opposite. I’ll take whatever I can take here an won’t feud another minute after I got the points off the characters I do, cause going passed that is absolutely pointless. It will get me nowhere in the event.
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You seem hellbent on arguing with me, on every post I make. Sorry, we dont share same view on things, but I will not indulge in that negativity.
Scopely could EASILY have pressed the "rollback" button, and taken away the premium bags that granted so many people new blood to their roster. They didnt however!.
As for this flash feud, they missed the mark on the new point scoring system. This cannot be denied, but I consider it beta testing of a new structure.
Overall the month have had lots of great content, where the math unfortunately was off, on the reward part:
- "The peoples campaign" was great engaging content, with the extreme matches, but horrible earnings for the prizewall.
- "I Love Rock n Reigns" showdown was good, and had Titans plate on prizewall. Much desired by many people, and math failed again, giving us only half for maxing.
- This Flash Feuds point scoring.
- 7 birthday refurbishings of old characters. 10 new skill plates to choose from.
We might not have gotten the rewards from the contests as intended, but when you look back on your roster from Feb 1st to now, I dare you to say, you havent "gotten yours".
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