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Showdown decline
Showdown was once a fantastic game mode back when we could play at our own leisure over the course of the event and not have the pressure of energy constraints.
this brings me to my first issue, Energy. The implementation of energy started the decline for most players, started off at 20 minutes and 24 energy to begin the tournament with. Before long we dropped down to 16 energy and a 30 minute refresh time. Now we have this which is worst of all. 12 energy with a 1 hour refresh. This is no better than career showdown which for me never took off due to the amount of time I had to wait to do another match.
i understand you’re a business and need to make money. This current event you’re pretty much flat out forcing players into buying energy in order to compete. This is predatory behaviour and it’s only a matter of time before players give up on showdown full stop.
this is the second time in a week where if you don’t have all of the super paywalled contest superstars you are unable to hit all of the ‘non bonus’ milestones in the event. Notice how I didn’t say ‘free’ milestones as we know that word hardly exists anymore.
you messed up big time at the weekend and realised this late on with the change in tour points and 1 million event points via the inbox. Crazy idea here but why not structure an event that mathematically checks out? Lock whatever points behind rare CsS all you want but don’t advertise achievable milestones that can’t be reached for the average player. I’m in a top 10 faction and have an established roster and even I’m losing interest in showdown very quickly.
there needs to be a change to the current format. All I’ve seen is negative feedback amongst the playerbase.
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This was said perfectly. I pay to play, but you are on the fast road to killing this game with trying to pinch every penny. Don't lose the free to play element and the community over greed in this inflationary environment.
Another point from a pay to play, I think it is crap you raised the web rewards by 10 bucks just to squeeze more money out of us. Use your brains and stop trying to squeeze extra water from the stone unless you want the game to end, in which case just end it. I for one will save a lot more money.
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I actually think IN THEORY the energy was a great idea. Maxing out at number of coins made it, IMO, a little too same-y. However, in EXECUTION, I agree with pretty much everything in this post. Low SD energy plus insanely slow refresh rates plus often really annoying requirements in either class and/or era...it's a perfect storm of absolutely terrible execution. My suggested solution is very simple. Go back to higher max energy, and most importantly, have refresh rates be faster. This goes for both career and event iterations. As it stands, if you lose even one fight (which is quite easy given how random matches can be sometimes, especially with requirements), it can absolutely destroy you.
They're totally doable fixes, but they're necessary.
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I’m not sure what the goal is here. Maybe it’s to make money off the free to play players. But it feel like the peens pinching is becoming extreme. 1hr for energy doesn’t make sense. It prevents people from having any chase of completing the event if they do not have all css. It also prevent you froM really building up and streak. I always assumed the mid week event were meant to keep players playing during the the week. This does the opposite as it turn players away. And little keeps them from playing there event. 24 min for energy was good enough. Showdown which was one of the most engaging part of the game just keeps getting worse every time it is touched.
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Hi.
Been an active player for a number of years. I completely agree with the above comments. As a business, is it necessary to double the profits every quarter? Not only is SD milestones unattainable. But every aspect has become extremely challenging for ftp. The insatiable greed will be this game's downfall.
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This event is definitely a drag, and discourages active play. And it's also discouraging me from paying, as even if I bought all the available energy I still wouldn't be able to max the SD portion, and I'm only missing the 3 super rare Zombies from the CSS. I'd be willing to buy energy if there was a chance to bridge the huge gap between milestone 11 and milestone 12
What is the harm in increasing the available energy and having the player base actually play your game instead of twiddling their thumbs every hour between matches?
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Can't say it much better than the op. It was bad enough this past weekend having rare and super rare css. Now you've done it again right after "realizing your mistake" and then added 1 hour refresh times for energy so you can even grind without spending. Once again you're pushing away players as if you want this game to die. It's getting seriously ridiculous. For God's sake pull your heads out and think before you commit to this stupidity.
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Missing 2 posters, when maxing all the other required stuff, and this used to be a striking distance material, to max the SD 1.8m milestone event, a cpl months, back… Now, I am 150k away, which is about 80-90k, more than used to be in the past, under these circumstances, and with the current SD setup, I am gonna sit the rest of the event off, cause I ain’t gonna spend a dime, buying energy, just because Scopely fixes the numbers, in a way, for the players, to be obliged to buy it.
I ll spend for a poster, for a plate, maybe a strap, but not for deliberately “thin measured”, missing aspects, like that..
As 6m+ roster, top-5 faction player, and casual spender, I tell you, Scopelian aliens, that, getting ppl to think “I ll do what the game allows me, and that’s it”, is not what will bring you profits, commercially wise…For the way you perceive your events, this will be an increasing mentality from now on, and that will lead in reduce spending, not increasing it…
You continue to stretch the game, and dissatisfy players…
Once, there were the f2p complaining… then it was the players outside top 20 teams….after that, ppl in top 10 teams start complaining, about stretched events, and now, you have serious spenders, in top 5 teams, arguing about your disability to keep, the least balance, in the game…
You need a player base, to have a game, not 100-200 players, who will buy everything you put a price on it…
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Oh you messed up again. Why am I not surprised
R.I.P showdown. You were once the most fun part of the game.
Loved by many. Ruined by greed
Sleep well my friend it's been emotional
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Are we playing a game or is this an ATM machine, it’s definitely not feeling like a game because I can’t play because I don’t have the energy in SD. Thanks for always ruining events week in and week out.
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I don't really know what the solution is but showdown is definitely an issue. Especially on weekends.. when you get about 2 hours worth of gameplay over a full weekend.
I'm hoping this midweek Showdown is because it's zombies and it usually tends to be harder.. If this is going to be the normal going forward their is an issue with SD.
We need more playable content because right now outside of feud weekends and flash feud theirs not much to play
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Agree with everything said above. The energy implementation for SD was probably one of the worst things added to the game. At the very least, if you are going to keep it, go back to the 24 we used to get. At least that gave players a chance…not a guarantee, but a chance nonetheless
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Yeah this kind of stuff doesn't make me want to spend money on the game, in fact it does the opposite. Feel I'm putting money into a bottomless pit, why invest if they are going to keep making my investments more worthless?
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Echoing everything that has been said here already. This SD setup is terrible for anybody that actually wants to play the game. I'm missing the 3 super paywalled characters, hit milestone 13 and called it a day. Why? Because there is absolutely no way to hit the next milestone even if I wanted to buy energy as there isn't enough anyways. The availability of shards for those characters, even if I was interested in spending what you expect us to spend for them, has been embarrassing for characters that come around once or twice a year only in specific months, so the gap continues to grow.
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Showdown used to be fun. The added energy was unnecessary, but we adapted. The constant increases in the refresh timer and the reduced amount of energy we can get is now totally over the top. The game is near impossible to play now without constant spending. I get it’s a business, but long gone are the days of spending to get to the end faster - while still being able to grind an event if you chose not to spend. Putting 12 energy with a 1 hour refresh on them in a 28hr event has completely handcuffed even some of the best rosters in the game. It’s a bad look to the player base, and more off putting than enticing people to spend. Do better!
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I actually bought an energy refresh to try and going the showdown then realized that i couldn’t get even close. Then i read a facebook post of someone who maxed the contest. He admitted that he had to spend 650 usd to max it 650 dollars is rent for a lot of people. That’s just crazy. Then i looked at the prizewall. No plates at all. Ridiculous amounts of medallions needed for last years cards. Hard pass on the next Sd if this continues. And I know it willl seeing how last weekends debacle played out
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Thank you for yet again another more terrible showdown.
Showdown energy should not take more than 10mins par charge but you no you put it at 30min. Now its not 30mins again it's a whole Hour par charge which is absolute nonsense
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Last weekend showdown was almost impossible for anyone without premium cards to get anywhere close to maxing the free milestones, even with the free points given out. Not sure why the scoring or milestone points were changed. Seems to me it would be a lot easier to leave the milestone points the same for each particular event then you wouldn’t have to figure out oh wait we messed this up and scramble at the end of the event to give out free points. Feel like Scopely is gearing this game to all pay to play to even be able to compete.
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Dear scopely,
I have a roster of 7,3million, yet I do not have all the stars that have been created for the game. Normally I used to love showdown. Now I still play it, but the joy is gone. Like every event I am missing a few paywalled characters, but unlike before, now with the current structure with only 12 energy and an hour to refresh 1 energy it is impossible to grind to max the event milestones that are the non bonus. It used to be no problem to miss some css stars as there was enough time to really play and grind out the non bonus milestones. Then I used to be enticed to spend a little to get to the bonus milestones and get the extra's that came with it. Now if I would buy all the extra energy that are available I would still not reach the final 1,8mil milestone of the event and to put it mildly this is just insane. This makes me stop playing and not spending. If it would only cost 10 to 20 dollars and it would guarantee me of maxing the SD event I would do it and many players would.
Although in my opinion since the non-bonus milestones have always been obtained without spending I would suggest you leave it like it was. You'll get more money out of it!
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1 Energy per hour for max of 12. Good incentive to Not spend. My wallet thanks you.
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Great feedback. I'll make sure to let the team know.
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12 energy in total, 1 energy/ hour, when I think nothing will surprise me anymore, you do the dumbest thing .
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1 energy per hour, starting out with 12. Where’s the old days of grinding it out and being able to max an event. I get you need to make money, has a business. But damn you need players for the business to run. You’re gonna run the players off at this pace
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This showdown was a big step backwards.
Changing energy refresh from 20 mins to 60 mins was nothing but a cash grab so people can complete the event.
I spend a little bit on this game and this kind of blatant money grabbing is enough for me to pull back spending all together. I’m all up for a bit of spending to advance in the game, but not when it’s done like this.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. We will make sure this gets to the team.
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Thank you to OP for starting this, It's Good to see players other than myself pointing out the absolutely terrible things going on with showdown.
Please return Showdown to the great PvP form it used to be. I'll say it again, Showdown only needed to be cosmetically improved. The SD Shop was what needed an overhaul and it is slowly approaching the point of needing a nother one.
It worked fine for years without "energy" and It will work fine again without it.
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Agreed! Everything about it has went downhill. Not to mention having to change who you use every 5 matches until it's an Era and class that you have no one. Best character will be a 3star Y2J
I would honestly rather start playing Invasion again over this Showdown setup.
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I second this. Showdown used to be my favorite mode since Invasion went away. Between this and the horrid Boss Battle, this game is losing a lot of it's playability. Scopely continues to trying to force players to play a certain way instead of allowing us to play the fking game how we want to play it. All these restrictions that they claim the player base wanted, when it's obvious we don't.
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I stopped caring about showdown like 4 showdowns ago. Haven't made an effort to even grind the last two. The league up team requirements was a terrible idea. Why this company insists on fixing what isn't broken is beyond me. It keeps taking the fun out of the game until eventually the lot of us are just gonna leave and stop playing. Where's the game from 2017-2018 that many of us fell in love with? Bring it back. This version of the game sucks. Too much of a chore between all the contests, tours, and requirements.
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